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Poster: Liamfinnegan Date: Mar 16, 2007 2:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: He who has not listened to the best copies of the 78 Egypt shows, please stop saying they were "bad"

One may say they do not like the shows, but that does not in and of itself make the shows- or any show similarly disliked a bad show.

I just finished listening to the Scarlet Begonias on 9/14/78 and it is f'in great in its uniqueness- Did Jerry all of a sudden discover egyptian musical theory? Where did Bobby come up with those half-tone chords?- NO- the place moved the band- the Fire on the Mountain out of drums and the Shakedown the same set on the 16th are two of the finest examples of those songs in the band's history.

So I now order you to find the newest upgrade of these nights and listen again- it is a shame I cannot remember where this file I am listening to was downloaded from

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Mar 16, 2007 4:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: He who has not listened to the best copies of the 78 Egypt shows, please stop saying they were 'bad'

"One may say they do not like the shows, but that does not in and of itself make the shows- or any show similarly disliked a bad show."

I must respectfully disagree on this point. A "bad" show is in the ear of the beholder and nowhere else. If, for example, an individual has listened carefully to 2/14/68 or 8/27/72 or 5/8/77 and concluded they suck, then- to that individual - they suck. End of story. It doesn't really matter what you or I or the other 99.9% of the Dead Uninverse thinks. For that matter, it doesn't matter what the Dead themselves think. You and I may think they have a concrete ear, but again, that's irrelevant.

I'm open to re-evaluating any show (and have done so in the past)but to me the Egypt shows are strictly ho-hum.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Mar 16, 2007 4:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: He who has not listened to the best copies of the 78 Egypt shows, please stop saying they were 'bad'

egypt shows had flashes of brilliance. Part of the problem is that they SHOULD have been better.

The Dead.......... in Egypt.

I mean, the expectations for such a band in the shadows of the Great Pyramids...thise shows should have been epic and just were not. Whether it was sound problems or just too much local hasheesh indluged in by the band the shows are very wart-heavy, if you will. And the overall energy of many other '78 shows (see Red Rocks, May) is lacking, glaringly so again, given the exotic and historic, and potentially mystical locale.

I do like much of the Oligreed sound, and the Shakedown as noted on the 16th....one of the "fires" has some soul, for sure, but overall, given the potential--a bit of a disappointment.

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Poster: Liamfinnegan Date: Mar 18, 2007 8:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: He who has not listened to the best copies of the 78 Egypt shows, please stop saying they were 'bad'

I was aiming at some kind of objectivity- that our experience of music is completely subjective is a given- my statement was made with one objective in mind- the newbies- I would hate to see them miss out on the "few flashes of brilliance" as one poster above replies-

Those few flashes of brilliance are not to be missed in my opinion. Universal disregard for a show or shows can be a deterrent- and Woodstock was nowhere near as bad as I was once told it was for the dead

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Poster: bigbossdan Date: Mar 16, 2007 7:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: He who has not listened to the best copies of the 78 Egypt shows, please stop saying they were 'bad'

I remember adding an Egypt show to my tape collection and thinking that it was an important part of any GD tape archive. Truth be told, I couldn't tell you about the date or the set list because it never was in heavy rotation. I have to think this means something about the inspiration behind the recording.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Mar 16, 2007 3:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: He who has not listened to the best copies of the 78 Egypt shows, please stop saying they were 'bad'

if these shows weren't played in Egypt, they would be viewed for what they are, disjointed, mediocre shows, with boring set lists and occasional moments of tasty jamming...the Shakedown from the 16th is a classic...the blending of the ollin arageed jams into dead songs was interesting...listen to them for posterity, you might even find soemething you like, but for kickass '78 go elsewhere...(like the winterland shows that follow)

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Poster: Liamfinnegan Date: Mar 16, 2007 4:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: He who has not listened to the best copies of the 78 Egypt shows, please stop saying they were 'bad'

You may have caught me jerry-picking- I will admit it- so I will check some of the other songs out and see if I still disagree with you strat- I am just always on the lookout for different interpretations of the song book and those three songs stand out

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Poster: buscameby Date: Mar 16, 2007 7:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Pranksters Planting flag on Great Pyramid

I hope you all have seen this video and heard the Fire during it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYhyDUgK1U8